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Monday, February 29, 2016

Unequal music on the debate frontier- Chopra Dawkins - great minds do NOT think alike


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Chopra

Have you heard of any of these two big names? 
Well, they are well over seven figures ...
if you mind googling them!




Deepak Chopra or Richard Dawkins
  • The former made a name for himself with Spirituality and well-being (80 books!) from the US to the world over; 
  • the latter, has been an evolutionary biologist and British author, who is known for his popularization of Darwinian ideas and the inventor of "memes".


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Image result for dawkins ancestor's taleRichard derides Deepak for his shallow mind, as in ...

here, Your random fictional Deepak Chopra quote:
This site is intended for entertainment purposes only. It in no way reflects the thoughts of Deepak Chopra. BUT, try the QUIZZ!

  • "The cosmos nurtures dimensionless happiness"
  • "The soul illuminates pure external reality" 
  • "The unexplainable is at the heart of an abundance of fulfillment"

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Chopra spends much of his time writing and lecturing from his base in California. He had a successful career
 Chopra is much richer and certainly more famous than he ever was as an endocrinologist or as chief of staff at New England Memorial Hospital. He left traditional medicine behind in 1981 when Triguna convinced him that if he didn't make a change he'd get heart disease. Shortly after that he got involved in Transcendental Meditation. In 1985 Chopra became director of the Maharishi Ayurveda Health Center for Stress Management in Lancaster, Massachusetts....

Three fiction  books he wrote: Muhammad, Jesus, Buddha
New-age author and physician Deepak Chopra has offered prominent atheists such as Richard Dawkins a $1 million prize challenge to offer a scientific explanation for the biological basis of thoughts and ideas.
Addressing what he called a "tribe of militant new atheists," naming Dawkins, James Randi, and Daniel Dennett, Chopra announced the challenge in a video uploaded on Youtube earlier this week.





"Can you please offer a scientific understanding for the biological basis of a first-person experience? Any experience – mental experience, or perceptual experience. So for cognition, or for perception. And I'll even make it more simple. Can you offer a scientific understanding for the biological basis of an idea, a thought?"

Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/deepak-chopra-issues-1-million-prize-challenge-to-richard-dawkins-new-atheists-to-explain-biological-basis-for-ideas-123368/#jSshKTI9hD2Csg8l.99

Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/deepak-chopra-issues-1-million-prize-challenge-to-richard-dawkins-new-atheists-to-explain-biological-basis-for-ideas-123368/#KWX3Xoke0Q1wj4WD.99


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   Why are Ayurveda and Chopra so popular?

"The popularity of Ayurveda and Chopra is a testament to the failure of modern life  to satisfy deep longings for simplicity, something to counteract the isolation that many people feel. Hope is a powerful narcotic."  (R. Todd) 


New-age author and physician Deepak Chopra has offered prominent atheists such as Richard Dawkins a $1 million prize challenge to offer a scientific explanation for the biological basis of thoughts and ideas.

"Can you please offer a scientific understanding for the biological basis of a first-person experience? Any experience – mental experience, or perceptual experience. So for cognition, or for perception. And I'll even make it more simple. Can you offer a scientific understanding for the biological basis of an idea, a thought?"
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BIG QUESTIONS:
Richard Dawkins irritated by irrationality (05:24)

TASK-01.Find 5 expressions you may use in a debate:
Rethorical questions, contradictions, responses, ...





TASK. Who says...... D Chopra ( ayurveda doctor) or  R Dawkins (biologist)

  1. I's like to remind you that ad hominem is a logical fallacy, I should reming you that.
  2. You accuse me of jargon -misusing language,  how many peole understood me?
  3. This my turn to speak, Sir,
  4. .........
  5. According to people like Freeman Dyson, "atoms are sentient"
  6. If it is that what he says, which i doubt, yes, I disagree?
  7. "a single cell has (a rudimentary form of) awareness"
  8. you can not solve the problem saying... "a single cell has awareness"
  9. x, y, z, purpose, search of meaning, and so on are an expression of awareness!
  10. do you say....Freeman Dyson says "atoms have awareness"?
  11. check it out
  12. if  Dyson's ever said .... "atoms are  aware", then he is wrong?
  13. Dyson should sue you.
  14. ..........
  15. Who is "we"?
  16. Tell me then how they (brain mechanisms)  produce consciousness
  17. Who is "I"?
  18. That is dishonest, plain dishonest
  19. I do not know what that even means!
  20. You don't have a monopoly of consciousness, we all have it.
  21. his blood pressure is rising by me saying this things
  22. ...........
  23. you have used the word (quantum leap) in two different meanings, and you have confused everybody
  24. not everybody, i am quite happy to say!
  25. This is a PURE metaphorical usage of the phrase "quantum leap"
  26. This is a one-off time meeting
  27. I am sure we both have no intention of meeting again




For a viewer response -read this text- Charles' blog entry
Could you accept any of his views??

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Believe me, this is part of a letter Dawkins wrote to his daughter, aged 10:

The child’s brain has to be a sucker for traditional information. And the child can’t be expected to sort out good and useful traditional information, from bad or silly traditional information, like believing in witches and devils and ever-living virgins. (...)
 Now, when the children grow up, what do they do? Well, of course, they tell it to the next generation of children. So, once something gets itself strongly believed – even if it's completely untrue and there never was any reason to believe it in the first place — it can go on forever.
Could this be what happened with religions? Belief that there is a god or gods, belief in Heaven, belief that Mary never died, belief that Jesus never had a human father, belief that prayers are answered, belief that wine turns into blood – (...) Millions of other people believe quite different things, because they were told different things when they were children.


FOLLOW UP

Richard Dawkins vs Deepak Chopra  (08:23)


"I’ve never done anything to Deepak Chopra. At least, not in this lifetime. "  R Dawkins on Chopra


====== EPILOGUE: Freeman Dyson.... against the grain
 Freeman Dyson’s “My theology” is an excerpt from “PROGRESS OF RELIGION”, his acceptance speech of Templeton Foundation Prize for Progress in Religion. Delivered 
in the Washington N’l Cathedral
 on May 16, 2000.
This speech is worth reading in whole, published online by Edge
http://www.edge.org/documents/archive/edge68.htmlRichard Dawkins, in the God Delusion (2006, p. 152), took a negative view of Dyson’s acceptance of the Templeton Foundation Prize: “It would be taken as an endorsement of religion by one of the world’s most distinguished physicists.” But Dyson was never fazed by criticism of his peers.
Dyson was born in Britain, got his B.A. at Cambridge Un., and moved to the States at age 24, joining the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton. He confirmed the validity of Richard Feynman’s diagrams in quantum physics, making them intelligible and acceptable to the community of physicists.
Dyson was a born contrarian, a disruptive dissenter, never willing to follow the consensus and authority of like-minded scholars.
A profile article in the New York Times (March 25, 2009) called him “The Civil Heretic”.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29Dyson-t.html?_r=2&ref=magazine&pagewanted=all
  • Steven Weinberg said of Dyson:  “I have the sense that when consensus is forming like ice hardening on a lake, Dyson will do his best to chip at the ice”. 


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